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I think the answer depends on what you mean by the term "free will." If you believe that free will means being able to do anything freely, without any influence or control from others or external factors, then free will doesn’t truly exist.


For example, imagine someone broke your trust in the past. Even if a genuinely trustworthy person approaches you later, you might feel skeptical about them. Is this skepticism purely your choice? I don’t think so. Your response is shaped by your past experiences, which influence how you react to similar situations.

Additionally, the concept of free will is also connected to science, particularly quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics explores the unpredictable and random nature of particles at a microscopic level, which raises questions about whether our choices are entirely our own or influenced by underlying physical processes.

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I think causal determinism is more plausible than free will. Causal Determinism is the thesis that the course of the future is entirely determined by the conjunction of the past and the laws of nature. Consider a  proposition “P” that describes the way that the entire universe was at some point in the past. Also imagine a proposition that expresses the conjunction of all the laws of nature; call this proposition “L.” Determinism then is the thesis that the conjunction of P and L entails a unique future. Given P and L, there is only one possible future, one possible way for things to end up. The claim for determinism falls under empiricism, as the truth of determinism is contingent. That is, determinism is neither necessarily true nor necessarily false. Therefore, I think it is to  be discovered by investigating the way the world is, not through philosophical argumentation. I think determinism is plausible because the  truth of determinism would entail that the laws of nature are not merely probabilistic, for if they were, then the conjunction of the past and the laws would not entail a unique future. Our observation of natural reality points towards a deterministic world. For instance,  Many physical phenomena such as the motion of planets, chemical reactions, and biological processes are  predictable and operate according to deterministic principles. One might argue that quantum mechanics poses a challenge towards determinism, as in the quantum realm phenomena are probabilistic rather than deterministic. However, that is only true given the copenhagen interpretation of QM. There are also deterministic interpretations of QM, such as the many-worlds interpretation. Even if QM points towards an indeterministic world, it would have little implications on our discussion. Even if systems of micro-particles such as quarks are indeterministic, it might be that systems involving larger physical objects such as cars, dogs etc are deterministic. It is possible that the only indeterminism is on the scale of micro-particles and that macro-objects themselves obey deterministic laws.  Moreover, I think probabilistic laws don't necessarily negate determinacy and only reflect our epistemic limitations. For instance, we often use probabilities in weather forecasting not because weather is indeterministic, but because we cannot account for all variables with precision.    




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I mostly agree with you, except for the last line where you said: "Moreover, I think probabilistic laws don't necessarily negate determinacy and only reflect our epistemic limitations. For instance, we often use probabilities in weather forecasting not because weather is indeterministic, but because we cannot account for all variables with precision."

Weather forecasting is a measurement problem. However, the probabilistic laws in quantum mechanics are not just a measurement issue. They are inherently probabilistic, meaning our quantum reality itself is fundamentally probabilistic.
For example - Uncertainty principle. It's not that out current technology cannot account for all variables with precision but it's impossible to do so.

"For example - Uncertainty principle. It's not that out current technology cannot account for all variables with precision but it's impossible to do so"

I don't think it is fair to claim with certainty the impossibility of any phenomena under QM, given that we understand so little about it. As I have already pointed out, probabilistic laws are relevant only under the copenhagen interpretation. The copenhagen interpretation does nothing to negate deterministic interpretations like many-worlds interpretations. Other interpretations like Bohemian Mechanics interpret the Uncertainty Principle as a limitation in what we can measure, not in the underlying reality. In this view, "hidden variables" deterministically govern the behavior of particles. The Copenhagen interpretation is one among many, and its dominance in pedagogy does not imply it is the only valid perspective. Copenhagen is not the final word. So, i think determinacy is not necessarily negated by probabilistic laws under QM.

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I'm not an expert on quantum mechanics, so I can't say for sure if only the Copenhagen interpretation views it as probabilistic. However, I've heard from famous physicists like Richard Feynman that quantum mechanics is fundamentally probabilistic. The math shows it to be probabilistic, and the Copenhagen interpretation just explains this probabilistic nature.For example, the wavefunction in quantum mechanics provides the probability of finding a particle in a particular state or position.

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QM being fundamentally probabilistic holds only under copenhagen interpretation, and physicists like Richard Feynman have worked mainly under this interpretation. But, as i have already pointed out, copenhagen is one such interpretation among many others. Interpretations like Bohemian mechanics provide a deterministic view of QM. It maintains that QM is deterministic at a deeper level. In this view, particles have definite positions at all times, guided by a real wavefunction, and the probabilistic aspects emerge from our inability to know the initial conditions precisely. Copenhagen is dominating in the pedagogy, but that doesn't imply it's the only valid interpretation, and that other interpretations are to be dismissed. All these interpretations share the same mathematical formulation and make identical experimental predictions, yet they diverge philosophically in their interpretation of the significance of the mathematics concerning the structure of reality. Hence, to say that QM is intrinsically probabilistic is to state just one of its legitimate interpretations. It doesn't ascribe a definitive ontological status to probabilism within quantum mechanics.

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